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Villanelle's Anyone?

avatarStephan Anstey -- on Feb. 13 2007, from Lowell, MA
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Hey, anyone like to write them?
I rather enjoy villanelle's as they're such a simple form, and yet so hard to make anything decent with.
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Derma Kaputfrom Possum Grape, Arkansas
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on Feb. 13 2007


I'll give it a shot...and probably fail to come up with anything I like.
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Jones, Paganinifrom Hyde in Cheshire
385 posts

on Feb. 13 2007


I love these.

My trick, such as it is, is twofold.

1 - Write it in a spreadsheet so the repeating lines default in in the correct places, and so that any changes are uniformly applied to them,

2 - write the two repeated lines first, making sure that they make good sence in either order AND as stand alone lines. If you can work in a pun for the end rhymes as well then you're on to a winner!

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Stephan Ansteyfrom Lowell, MA
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inspired from Pags on Feb. 13 2007


I'm not sure i agree on the pun, so much as a double entendre of some sort. Pun being more of a humor thing, and I think the repetition lends itself to drama as much as humor or irony.



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Jones, Paganinifrom Hyde in Cheshire
385 posts

on Feb. 13 2007


Maybe pun was the wrong word, though puns can work. Words with more than one meaning was really what I meant but was too lazy to write. It enables the meaning of the repeated lines to change with each reiteration, which can be fun.

I find that the form also works well with subject matter that is in some way circular (In musical terms I would mention the rondeau which keeps coming back to the same idea). The Dylan Thomas poem 'Do not go Gentle' comes to mind. In grief the mind keeps going over the same ground. I am planning to use the form for a poem about my Dad's dementia as it relates to an incident that happened recently for this reason.

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Stephan Ansteyfrom Lowell, MA
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inspired from Pags on Feb. 13 2007


"

Maybe pun was the wrong word, though puns can work. Words with more than one meaning was really what I meant but was too lazy to write. It enables the meaning of the repeated lines to change with each reiteration, which can be fun. "

Awesome.  We completely agree on this then. It was just me being dense. IN fact, I might be wrong, but isn't that actually supposed to be part of the structure of the villanelle, that the refrains mean slightly different things throughout.

" I find that the form also works well with subject matter that is in some way circular (In musical terms I would mention the rondeau which keeps coming back to the same idea). "

I haven't tried a Rondeau in years, I think it might be time to revisit.

" The Dylan Thomas poem 'Do not go Gentle' comes to mind. In grief the mind keeps going over the same ground. I am planning to use the form for a poem about my Dad's dementia as it relates to an incident that happened recently for this reason. "


I can't wait to read it.





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Rhiannon Jones
88 posts

on Feb. 13 2007


I took a stab at my first villanelle a few weeks ago...I don't like it (my villanelle), but I don't know exactly why...I think perhaps because the form sounds too dramatic for the subject matter. I'll post it in my library. Blank Wall Vilanelle

Edited by anstey on Feb. 14 2007

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Jones, Paganinifrom Hyde in Cheshire
385 posts

on Feb. 14 2007


You can of course cheat!

I came across an unrhymed villanelle I wrote some time ago. It may amuse, and provoke the purists? Untitled, Unrhymed Villanelle Glos

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Leanne Hansonfrom Just west of the lounge room
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on Mar. 7 2007


Villanellentine


The magic of a greeting card and rose –

Such sentimental sighings they invoke!

I should not be a cynic, I suppose.

 

Each year the pile of cardboard refuse grows,

And bouquets send a million suitors broke:

The magic of a greeting card and rose.

 

 

Bad poetry will fall to all-time lows,

And clichés will make sobbing women choke –

I should not be a cynic, I suppose.

 

A sniff will risk a prick in tender nose,

But all trespasses disappear like smoke:

The magic of a greeting card and rose.

 

Abandonment of common sense just shows

That romance is a sad and sorry joke –

I should not be a cynic, I suppose.

 

In every bed a man so sweetly throws

His leg across his woman for a poke:

The magic of a greeting card and rose –

I should not be a cynic, I suppose.


 

Nah, I hate villanelles, I just write them because I'm too lazy to slit my wrists.

Ashley Nicole

on May 10 2007


I am a -big- Dylan Thomas fan.

I thnk I have a couple vilannelles laying around, from when I wanted to fiddle with the form, but there was nothing I was very crazy about.

If I come across one, I'll post. I agree-- the form is very "narrow." I would start off trying for a villanelle, and end up going completely out of the form because I just let it flow

 

:)

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Skeen Paigefrom A semi waking moment
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inspired from Ashley Nicole on May 27 2007


I adored Leanne's villanellentine! Gave me lots of chuckles....

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Stephan Ansteyfrom Lowell, MA
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inspired from Ashley Nicole on May 27 2007


AmaNana:

There are a lot of chuckleheads.. ER CHUCKLES around here.

hehehehe


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Skeen Paigefrom A semi waking moment
22 posts

on May 27 2007


Here's the only one I've ever written. Never got any feedback on it from another community I'm in, so I'd love anything...

On his pillow a bright penny will lay.
But understanding cannot be bought
When he’s gone so far away.

One of many in a teary cache
To purchase this absent thought;
On his pillow a bright penny will lay.

From fearful words I had to say
His heart and soul is much distraught
But understanding cannot be bought.

For his love, God’s love, I did betray.
The price for sin my heart is taught
On his pillow a bright penny will lay.

Tormented by demons I could not slay
Nor can I love God as I ought
When he’s gone so far away

With me, for my fears, he cannot pray
Because I’m snared and surely caught
On his pillow a bright penny will lay
When he's gone so far away.

01/07/2007

 

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Stephan Ansteyfrom Lowell, MA
Associate, 6232 posts

on May 27 2007


Hey, I'd say put this in your personal space... you'll probably get better (and more) feedback there. But i'll give ya some here. I think the hardest part of a villanelle (and remember this is just my opinion) are the first three lines... making sure that they're deep and interesting enough to be used in multiple ways multiple times.

I'd say your three lines are pretty good, but could benefit from some work. Specifically the inversion at the end of the first line -- it is certainly important for the sake of the rhyme-scheme, but I found it a bit distracting. The general idea of this is good, I like where you're going. I have  anothe rminor quibble with S4 and S5 -- I can't quite make out whehter you're talking about an un-named lover, or God. I'm not sure if that ambiguity is the point either.

 




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