
Mmmm, I thought I left a comment here yesterday, discussing the above and now it's gone. I was going to say something else... any explanation, or am I dreaming


ON COMMENTING: well here's my attempt at adding what I think again, although I don't have quite the initial burst of energy I had to make the lost comment.
Primary is that I think a comment should 1. let the person really know you are closely reading the work 2.Say anything you can say about what you understand about what the author is saying. What comes across? This is wonderful feedback. Rather then suggesting changes-- it gives a writer some information with which to change himself if he so desires. (Exception: if the author asks for suggestions about change.) Most serious writers have intent about what they are doing, and they like to know what comes across. Most writers (in my opinion) do not need anyone to tell them what they think they should do or change. (Is this an unusual view?) I think the effort to have something critical to say is an over-reaction to superficiality, and thus makes it even harder for people to comment properly. The idea of "tolerance levels" is so obviously misplaced in the sense that if people did what I am suggesting... a huge amount of information is exchanged, and anyone would be terrifically interested in such feedback, and it does not require tolerance at all! The idea of being "tough" in giving or receiving commentary is just dumb in my opinion.
*** I think what you have said about not taking poems autobiographically is great. That is another primary. One comments on the poem as a fiction (unless the poet specifically says in an authors note that it is real-life based, and even then, one takes this cautiously.) That ensures one is commenting ON the poem, not being tempted to give life-advice responses. Bravo.

I noticed a great note on this topic in "A Dog's Life"-- where the author asks that rather than suggest changes, they would like the reader to ask questions as to why she did something a certain way if it is not clear to that reader. That way she can pin-point possible places for clarifying. I think this is an excellent way to approach it! Sets up a good dialog, respects the author, gives information.

I suppose, the way one takes a suggestion/comment/critique depends on the person doing the taking. Personally, I enjoy it when someone takes my writing and suggests a different way to say it. Play with my line breaks, word choices, etc. and show me what you have. The bottom line is this, if I don't like it or don't think it says/does what I was trying to say, then I don't have to use it BUT I still thank you kindly for the suggestion. It means, to me anyway, that you thought enough about my work to take the time to play with it, read it, digest it, and try to help me make it a better piece of poetry.
I hope that any and all readers of my work understand that I love to do workshopping. My work has grown and matured from that very thing. I have a group of other writers that I do workshopping with from college and we all know that we can take each others work and move the lines around, change stanza/line breaks, offer word suggestions and we have a ball with it.
----- just wandering the maze of hallways in my bent mind!
I am orbiting, I don't know where, but I am orbiting something!

Hello all!! I know I have been away for a long time, but school took over my life. I am now finished, and come January will be teaching instead of taking classes (whew). Criticism, to me, is a very important part of the writing process: whether is is poetry, short essay/story, or a part of something larger...we all need to know if we are presenting our words in a way in which the reader comprehends our meaning. Granted, different readers will get different 'feelings' from the words, the deeper truth should shine through, and it is with criticism/workshopping that we are able to see if our goal has been/is being met.
Yes, my words are very personal to me, but if I am not presenting in a fashion that is clear enough for the majority of my peers to see the same final picture, then it is me and not the reader who needs to change (my own personal take on things here). As I start to post and read again, just remember that my skin in tough....I need to know what you see/feel when you read my words so I know if I am doing it the way I want it done....it doesn't mean it's wrong, only that I need to present it a little different...
I am orbiting, I don't know where, but I am orbiting something!